Women are often unable to draw on female friendships, to create a female group line, because it is broken by too many dividing lines. Janka Urban, Vyrovnávanie šancí associationE.K.: Women from excluded Roma communities are at a disadvantage, because they do not know what gender equality is, that they could want something in this area, and these are big changes for them. We try to show them what it is, so that they realize what possibilities they have and that they could live a little differently than the usual stereotypes. What complicates the situation of Roma women in excluded communities? J.U.: Dividing lines often run through communities, either by individual families or geographically, the upper and lower parts of the settlement are separated and there is some long-term tension, or the Olaš and Slovak Roma are separated. Women are somehow subject to these lines and cannot draw on female friendships, create a female group line, a group of friends who support each other, because it is broken by too many such lines. E.K.: Generational poverty is inherited and women are used to living in those patterns. Even if a person offers them another option, most of them do not take it, they take it as their lot: I am a Roma woman and I live in such a family, we have such rules. It is very difficult to disrupt the hierarchy they have. But there are of course cases when it works. Could you give an example? J.U.: We once had a talk with a women’s group where we interpreted pictures together. We came to the point that one of the women would like to leave her man. But we relativized it a bit, that we can be free even in relationships. We told the woman that it is commendable that she takes care of a disabled man for a long time. However, she felt that there was little room for her as a person. In the debate, she realized that the needed space exists and she doesn’t have to leave anyone. In the situation she is in, she always manages to find a piece for herself. Such little things emerge from our meetings. What do you think is most important when working with women from excluded Roma communities? J.U.: Above all, we try to give them a voice. M.B.: The activities that we do with women within women’s groups are not directly aimed at a specific change, but at the same time, that change happens immediately. Women even think about the fact that they can want something, they can want it together and they can help each other. And not only women, but also entire families. Ideally, new female friendships will be formed. Women’s groups operate within several of our community centers. We will introduce how these meetings go next time. The project Gender equality for Roma communities, which was supported by Norwegian grants and the Slovak state budget, is implemented together with EsFem and Vyrovnávanie šancí.